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Paul Schmidt's avatar

Why do left-of-center politicians like French make stupid statements regarding destruction of private property, and then in the next breath decry the marked increase in legal firearm sales? Do they simply not understand cause and effect?

As I told Ozias last year, "Your constituents aren't stupid."

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

I get the strong feeling that those three commissioners think they know what's better for us than we do. Why put a tax hike to a vote of the people when they can do it themselves? They are the parents, we are the children, and they are saving us from ourselves. They don't even really need our input or engagement, because we probably don't understand what's good for us.

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

And that, Jeff, is an attitude I have witnessed to be prevalent far more among the D's than the R's. I saw the same thing 40 years ago in college with professors who I would have bet good money likely hated Reagan's view of America and saw the Constitution as a hinderance to their end game. The condescension and arrogance just drips of these types.

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GHW's avatar

I know you've probably already read this Jeff, but it sounds like you could use a refresher!

https://open.substack.com/pub/ixodes/p/a-double-feature?r=5dad9x&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Debra Boynton's avatar

Thanks for this.

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Ixodes's avatar

Jeff's obsession with Tribal Sovereignty pops up all over the place, even when he talks about homelessness. Check out this morning's post: https://open.substack.com/pub/ixodes/p/homelessness-and-an-obsession-with?r=5b9x9x&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

And post by another individual: https://open.substack.com/pub/randyrandom/p/a-watchdog-with-a-bone?r=5b9x9x&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

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Robert's avatar

No, they do not understand cause and effect...they believe they ARE the cause and effect.

Arrogance, hubris, socialist mind-training...egos run wild!

They have no humility, no compassion, except for the lowest classes, which they exploit... and I believe that is false compassion.

They receive over $100,000 each annually and pretend to represent the homeless street class and also the leftist donor class with their white guilt and white privilege (which many actually have) because they have been well compensated by 'the state' and NGO's and NPO's for 'jobs' that have had little to no positive effect in the world...I'd probably feel guilty too.

They slam private firearm ownership because they do know that is the only line they cannot cross without serious repercussions...but if they can squeeze gun ownership out of existence and criminalize those who refuse to obey then they Will have all the power.

They are waiting for the last generation of patriot warriors to die off or be killed off and the succeeding generations will know no different.

I would remind French that the violence used by the patriots in the Revolutionary War founding this nation was laid against the agents of a corrupt monarchy which among many abuses were (taxation without representation). Also (rule of law without representation.) (Obfuscating and stalling due process). (Forbidding sovereign law making among the colonies.)

These clowns are doing the same exact things which brought us to Revolution the first time around...truly stupid people to not see the irony.

I wonder why 'someone' has labeled the last 3 generations X, Y, Zed?

The State of Washington is $14 Billion in deficit. The Feds are $36 Trillion in deficit.

We collectively now borrow from the 'Federal Reserve Private Bank' just to pay the interest...that Is actually bankrupt...undeclared.

And these psychos are passing out monies like Halloween candy.

God, Goddess, All That Is, please help us prevail against the evil running this Godless society and give us the insight and wisdom to cooperate in TRUTH, JUSTICE, LIBERTY AND TOUGH LOVE.😊

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

So, based on French's publicly affirmed worldview as to how political change occurs, setting fire to his house is an acceptable act of protest against his incompetence and predilection for legal sophistry?

And people like him actually think anyone right of center is a menace to democratic government?

French is a tool and a child.

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John Worthington's avatar

Its the science of virtue signaling. They have figured out how to stash as many living wage jobs as they can under a justified "cause.'

Children

Homeless

Equity

Evil Colonizers

Bad relationships.

All it is is an excuse to pad numbers for bureaucracy. Thousands of people in a community playing hide and seek for a grand a week. They live off of the causes so they have to virtue signal.

But, they don't help the children, they don't help the homeless and they don't hire talent they hire based on race.

Giving 4 million to each local tribe for the year 2025 is not a bad relationship. They only keep pretending its a bad relationship to grow the bureaucracy. That figure is solid. Now if that money is chewed up in bureaucracy that's not our fault. Their bad relationship should be with the bureaucracy not us taxpayers. In my lifetime I have helped pay billions to take care of the tribes. There is not victim there and there should not be a bad relationship.

Its just a schtick to pad numbers for the blue pages.

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Michael Heath's avatar

Excellent comment Paul Schmidt~! I was thinking the exact same thing! So, French would be just fine if the majority of good folks in the community who he has oppressed and deceived burned his house to the ground in protest? Ha! That is a handy thing to know ;-) These criminal political scumbags always have perverted self-serving views~! Have a great evening! Sincerely, Mike

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Garry Blankenship's avatar

Using discrimination to resolve discrimination is a fools errand. Even among those who somehow qualify as being treaty entitled to rights and privileges beyond those of all other citizens some flourish and others do not. So is it a responsibility of the non-treaty entitled to help those treaty entitled that are not successful ? I am at a loss to understand societal promotion of those unable to thrive so that we can then enjoy a larger population of people unable to succeed on their own. The abject failure in treating the treaty entitled as less than or incapable is that it convinces them they are just that. If gaming, hunting and fishing rights unique to the treaty entitled is not enough, what is ? The Jamestown Tribe is thriving, while others are not. Yet is is not their success that is given to the other tribes. The entirety of the BIA / tribal relationship says you cannot make it on your own, so here is enough allowance for you to stay alive, but never thrive. If you want to keep a group of people oppressed, just convince them they cannot survive without charity.

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

It's called "the soft racism of low expectations," Garry.

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Lawrence Martin's avatar

Someone please give me an example of how property destruction in the name of protest effects constructive change.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

mike.french@clallamcountywa.gov may have some examples for you.

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

Only a leftist would dare try, because any means to their political end are, in their warped worldview, justifiable. See Pol Pot, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Weather Underground, Black Panthers -- any of whom I presume are among French's secret heroes.

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Pamela Roberts's avatar

How about attacks on Civil Rights protesters? That was right wing racists leading that charge. Don't stereotype "leftists" as the only ones who get violent. This has been a problem on all sides, including law enforcement. We need to reinforce on all fronts that peaceful protests in our country are protected and respected.

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Eric Fehrmann's avatar

I guess you would classify burning the Federal building in Seattle a peaceful demonstration by rational thinkers. You seem to be blind in one eye. Also seems to be a result of our educational system and news media propaganda. Common sense would dictate an end to racism, of any kind, political or other.

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

The attacks in the South on civil rights marchers have been well-documented as being chiefly fomented by members of the KKK (in and out of local and state governments), which was formed and primarily populated by Democrats, not Republicans, and of whom Senator Robert Byrd (D -- WVa) was a member. Were cops involved? Yep, following orders or willfully complying with no need to wear white sheets.

Democrats such as Sen. Albert Gore, Sr., opposed the Civil Rights Act. Democrats in the North strove to end the Civil War and keep slavery as an institution. Democrats and leftists have been behind the assassinations and attempted assassinations of presidents Lincoln, Kennedy, Ford and Trump.

So maybe tone down your criticism of the right.

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John Worthington's avatar

Its hard. They sprayed paraquat man.

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Leo Leblanc's avatar

Smoked some of that as a youth, it was harsh!!

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Lawrence Martin's avatar

After 6 hours of my posting not one example of destruction of property during protests as seen as something that effects change for the good. I wonder if Mr. French would say something to the effect that his statement was one of those moments where what was said was sort of just plain not bright. That maybe like the Democratic Nominee for VP he had a “knucklehead” moment and his mouth ran faster than rational thought. My wife tells me I’m guilty of that regularly. Naw… that would require self evaluation and most politicians red or blue have trouble walking anything back.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

I asked French about that, thinking he might say he was swept up in the heat of social unrest and made a poor judgement about posting his statement. French doubled down and stood by what he said. Here's that article: https://www.ccwatchdog.com/p/commissioner-condones-property-crime

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John Worthington's avatar

Good article Jeff. Your killing them. No wonder Ozais' wife chased me down the hall.

It would be cool to get a reduction on slot machine tokens to encourage me in the same fashion.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

I wish I'd seen that. You must be getting to him if his wife has to tell you to leave him alone.

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Robert's avatar

😊

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Please see my response to John's comment posted above.

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Chris Clark's avatar

Why did she chase you John? You should have video it so we all can see. 🤣

Your definitely getting under the commissioners skin but what business in a public place for someone to come after a tax payer. She definitely has drank the koolaid like so many other tools.

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John Worthington's avatar

Karen is my only witness to the event. Thanks to Karen for defending me. She was mad I showed the sign to the audience. They had gone through all the trouble of plotting a BLM porn show to block my background and I was defeating them live.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

John, if you were verbally assaulted in the People's House for exercising your free speech, you should report it to the sheriff. Maybe that section of the hallway is recorded by camera. I was investigated by Ozias for an entire month over stalking, trespassing, and harassment allegations that could never be proven. If you can prove the assault, ask Ozias to lead the investigation like he did against me. https://www.ccwatchdog.com/p/we-need-help-family-begs-county

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John Worthington's avatar

Didn't she take to the microphone during the Towne Road hearings to lambast the audience?

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John Worthington's avatar

Thanks for the suggestion.

Karen saw the whole thing. Karen was madder than I was until I realized it may have been a county employee. At first, all I saw were these bugged out eyes walking by all upset and I made out the don't preach to me line. She has already admitted to her act and the reasons for it on this blog. I just wonder if cooler heads should prevail so I don't waste law enforcement resources, to get my whirlwind.

I am going down there next week and I will bring solutions and my cane with me. I just don't like to use it because it hurts my neck. I have caned and crutched for years. This new hallway whirlwind could be a trend and one they were hoping for when they shut down background screens.

I think I have made my points on the 3rd place position we are obviously in.

Its kind of sad the only thing they have to contribute to a meaningful adversarial process of policy debate is a deranged wife releasing her whirlwind on an at risk adult with a documented malfunctioning artificial hip that need risky procedures to replace.

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Please refer to the reply I posted above.

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KC's avatar

She aggressively stated something to the effect that she didn’t come to the commissioners meeting to be lectured. Apparently the statistical information John was informing the public about upset her.

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Please see my response to John's comment posted above.

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KC's avatar

I don’t have to. I was there. I had no clue who you were related to. I saw that you got worked up when I handed the card to the gentleman and you were aggressive in the hallway and jetted very quickly into your husband‘s office.

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Robert's avatar

She wanted to see what a real man looked like up close!🤣

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Please see my response to John's comment posted above.

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

She chased you down the hall? What, Ozias can't fight his own battles? I'd like to see her try that in the Legislature.

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Please see my response to John's comment posted above.

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Pamela Roberts's avatar

Pinch her butt? You thought she was a county employee and you wanted to pinch her butt? Try coming into the 21st century. OMG. Are women really welcome in this forum or are you guys going to go all "bro" on us? I'm so tired of that crap. If you think it's cute - it ain't.

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John Worthington's avatar

No I was not thinking of pinching her butt or Karen's butt for standing up for me. It was completely a joke. I take on and am not afraid of all comers. Race or gender. Bring what you think you got. I am equally tired of thin skinned people riding one whirlwind to the next. The county employee I wanted reprimanded.

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Pamela Roberts's avatar

I'm not a "thin skinned liberal" - just sick and tired of the misogynistic crap women are subjected to in this society. It's ridiculous that we are on this forum talking about giving everyone equal respect in our community and then you pepper your comments with such a remark. Frankly, I don't find it funny at all. I'm tired of the bro crap and I've had to listen to it my entire life. You don't hear people talk about grabbing some guy's anatomy in the middle of a political discussion - no - it's always women who are to made fun of in this way. I appreciate you responding to my feedback and I hope you don't continue to dismiss it outright - because I'm serious about my feedback to you. I really do care about this.

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John Worthington's avatar

Lighten up Francis.

[Chorus]

Up on Cripple Creek, she sends me

If I spring a leak, she mends me

I don't have to speak, she defends me

A drunkard's dream if I ever did see one

So do I, my daughter is a Boeing executive. I am proud of her and know as a realist she faced that angle on your sleeve. To phrase your attack I wanted to pinch a county employee was wrong. I never wanted to pinch a county employees butt.

satire /săt′īr″/

noun

A literary work in which human foolishness or vice is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.

The branch of literature constituting such works.

Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose human foolishness or vice.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

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John Worthington's avatar

I hope you now read my serious retort to Lisa Boulware.

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Robert's avatar

Maybe if you acted like real women and quit trying to compete with men you might get a different response and be able to brush off unwanted attention with a little grace and aplomb.

We don't want she-males trying to do the things men do better, just like real women don't want men in their locker rooms and bathrooms. Good luck with your attitude!😊

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Sexual harassment is not funny and should not be referenced as a joke.

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John Worthington's avatar

Now I am really mad. There was no sexual harassment involved. Pam got the tone of the post wrong. I decided to use levity rather than gas.

There was intentional and possibly a planned verbal assault on a member of the public exercising his rights to testify in public. By the time you got back to the counter Mark was there and you were three feet away. I tried to laugh it off. You can't do what you did Lisa Boulware. What you did was illegal and I have witness. Which street do you prefer to go down now? Laugh it off street or Court street.

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John Worthington's avatar

I walked away from a cripple creek situation and It was the right move. I did not have the heart to seek reprimand for a man's wife sticking up for her husband. There is no women's lib angle here.

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Pamela Roberts's avatar

John, I hold no hard feelings and perhaps your "joke" does not come across when written here. That's great that your daughter is a Boeing leader - I wish her well. Trust me when I say I don't wear my thoughts "on my sleeve." I've worn bullet-proof vests to work while confronting gangs face to face. But I get the feeling you have heard me so let's move on shall we?

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John Worthington's avatar

Can I still sing songs and carry signs. :)

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Not a Cripple Creek situation...whatever that is. It's definitely an insult to The Band to see it quoted here.

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John Worthington's avatar

Index sold separately and I have a five dollar charge for unellected hypocritical jello sheriffs that attack from being and scamper into the Commissioners office, like a county employee or running a planned revenge sortie..

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Robert's avatar

Poor little leftist, liberal, feminist, whiner-baby😥

Leftist (Marxist), Liberal (Anything goes), Feminist (Delusion)

These ideologies have been used to warp and distort a lot of minds.😊

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Robert's avatar

What's wrong with a little pinchy butt?😱🤣

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John Worthington's avatar

If I was being serious. I would have told the truth. She came up from behind took a verbal potshot, and scampered into the Commissioners office. Karen saw the whole thing. Lisa Boulware was totally in the wrong. I did leave that office before I went ballistic and it was not a butt pinching situation. It was one citizen, coming up from behind, to verbally attack another citizen and then run into a public office as if she was a public employee. She totally wanted a harsh one sided word exchange and then an escape where only she could go. I got the "whirlwind' because her husband has been getting criticized in public and she can't handle herself. We are talking restraining order territory now. Or you make a joke of it and move on.

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Pamela Roberts's avatar

John, this conversation is getting hilarious from my perspective. Yes, I think you should have told the truth from the beginning. Personally, I had no idea what you were talking about. An elected official's wife has NO PLACE to be walking around a governmental office and interacting with the public. I am gathering that she went at you verbally when you were there conducting business. That is just outrageous. What is she, his hired attack dog? I would totally call this out publicly with her name attached. He has got to pull her in and if not then he can suffer the consequences.

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

As the person accused of chasing you down the hall, I would like to set the record straight here.

I attended the BOCC meeting in person yesterday and took umbrage not with your public comment, but with the fact that you were addressing the audience and not the Commissioners.

Frankly, I have no idea what your comment was about, and I don't know what was on the piece of paper you were holding. But I did notice you looking in my direction, speaking emphatically while waving around a piece of paper and then you said something about BLM and porn. That's when I shrugged at you raised my hands and wondered aloud to whom you were talking. You immediately turned your attention away from the audience and back to the Commissioners.

The public comment period is a time for the public to address the Board of Commissioners in person. It is not a time to lecture the audience with your personal grievances. If you wish to address the public, consider getting a soap box and setting it up in the parking lot.

After the meeting ended, I walked out of the room and headed to my husband's office to meet him for a cup of coffee (my reason for being at the meeting in the first place). You and your friend were standing in the hallway talking. I chose to take that opportunity to let you know in person that as a member of the public audience that day, I did not appreciate hearing your public comments directed at the audience. I walked around you and into the Commissioners front office. As the door shut behind me, I heard you ask why I didn't get up and make a public comment myself. I did not answer you then, but I will answer you now. I did not make a public comment because what I had to say was to you, not the BOCC. It would not have been appropriate for me to use the public comment period to speak to you personally. I chose to do that when I passed by you in the hallway on my way out of the meeting.

The next thing that happened was a little alarming, however. You burst into the Commissioners' office, demanding to know who I was. By this time, I was in my husband's office waiting to go and get a cup of coffee. You were belligerent toward the staff, and it may have seemed a bit frightening, but I know better - your bark is worse than your bite. We walked out of my husband's office and approached you. I introduced myself by my first name and held out my hand. You demanded my last name which I gave. You then accused me of being a county employee with some kind of agenda and wanted to know how I could just waltz into the Commissioners' office the way I had. You were incredibly worked up and it was hard to get a word in. My husband managed to tell you that I was not a county employee, but a member of the public. I believe he was unsure whether or not to out me as his wife for I am fiercely independent. Finally, when given a chance to speak again, he let you know I was his wife. You didn't say another word. Just turned around and huffed out the door.

So that's the whole story. It is the truth. I did not chase you down the hall after the meeting to yell at you in defense of my husband (sorry to blow your Cripple Creek narrative). I happened to pass by you in the hall and took advantage of an opportunity to tell you how I felt about your behavior during the public comment period. Period.

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John Worthington's avatar

"I chose to take that opportunity to let you know in person that as a member of the public audience that day, I did not appreciate hearing your public comments directed at the audience. I walked around you "

"It would not have been appropriate for me to use the public comment period to speak to you personally. I chose to do that when I passed by you in the hallway on my way out of the meeting."

"I happened to pass by you in the hall and took advantage of an opportunity to tell you how I felt about your behavior during the public comment period. Period."

Admitting to a planned attack. and admitting she came up from behind. Karen can testify to your tone and aggressiveness. Your attack was strong enough to trigger her.

"I heard you ask why I didn't get up and make a public comment myself. I did not answer you then, but I will answer you now."

That was Karen my witness to your planned attack. I never said a word to you.

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John Worthington's avatar

You instigated the entire incident. You were belligerent.. I was reacting to an attack from behind...It was a clear retaliation for my public comment. You have done this before. You can't handle yourself in a pubic forum. This is whirlwind theatre now.

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Robert's avatar

I have addressed the Commissars in person and they rolled their eyes and ignored me as they do almost everyone who presents. They make every attempt to NOT listen to OR hear The People. Talking to the gallery is where the power is, not the Commissars.

The Commissars are NWO agents, leftist liberals to the extreme and not what most informed people want representing them and spending their money like it is Monopoly money.

The Commissars are frauds and do not represent the people of Clallam County.

They represent the NWO from U.N. Agenda 21+++, ICLEI, NODC and others who are using Commissars as proxies to control local governments.

Your fierce independence is not helpful to humanity...it smacks of selfish indulgence and 'I'll do it my way' which is what the COMMISSARS are doing with our local governance. You seem to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. Maybe try not telling other people how and when to speak.

Many, many people of Clallam County and more all the time, have zero respect for the Commissars...the days of their insane rule is coming to an end.

Good luck with that fierce independent attitude!😊

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No One Important's avatar

Thank you, Jeff, I will ensure that thousands see Mike French's justification for violence. Perhaps some protesters of Clallam County corruption will return the favor and burn his Tesla, or whatever kind of car he drive, salt profanities in his lawn, and break windows-- to make statements, of course. After all, to quote him, "Property destruction is not only fine, it's usually the only way we've ever seen actual change happen...". Is he telling us that the only way we can bring integrity to, responsiveness to the people, and end corruption in our county is to start vandalizing the Commissioners' property? Hmmmm.....

That po' ol' Indian Tribe needs all the help it can get. Their casino operations and wanton decimation of our salmon population only brings in some $350K/year per tribal member, over 5 times what the average citizen on the Olympic Peninsula exists on. Yes, it makes perfect sense to take money from the impoverished and give it to the wealthy Tribes, a kind of Robin Hood in reverse. Let's also allow them to not pay taxes-- after all, they're sovereign.

I think we should impose tariffs on anything the Tribe buys from us. They can then do the same on all the things we buy from them. After all, our President recognizes that money constantly flowing out of the country is not good, so we should balance out the taxes they don't pay with tariffs. We can adjust them so that our tax losses are recouped. Since this has been going on for quite a while, I want reparations for all the money I needlessly spent to cover the Tribe's deficiencies.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

Anytime NOI!

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Robert's avatar

AGREE!😎

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Jennifer's avatar

I encountered what is called IP (Indian Preference) when I worked for IHS (Indian Health Services) The IP's, (qualified or not), got the job every time. It certainly didn't help in giving quality care. Qualified people didn't even apply knowing they would lose out and usually moved on out of the IP system.

I also was witness to the unfair Indian Child Welfare Act. Many tribal women do not support it. They hate that they have no choice in the placement of their child. There is an order to that system : First pick goes to the closest family members then on down the line. One woman hated her family, especially her sister way of raising children. Her sister lived a few doors away. She cried, opening up to me, that she was forced to keep her child or watch her baby being raised by her sister in horrible conditions. It's horrible that the Act has taken away a woman's choice on such an important decision.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

I think I just found a guest columnist.

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

Ah, the Indian Child Welfare Act of 1978. If you know your history, you know what's coming next:

Introduced April 1977, in the U.S. Senate by James Abourezk, Democrat, S.D.

Passed the U.S. Senate on Nov. 1977

Passed by U.S. House October 1978

Democrats held the majority in both chambers.

Signed into law by President Jimmy Carter (D).

The takeaway here is that the Democrats hold two beliefs: first, a college-educated liberal white woman (their chief constituency) should be given absolute control over the outcome of an unwanted pregnancy; second, a Native American woman should not be allowed to choose what she thinks best for her children.

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Jennifer's avatar

Well...yes I have witnessed white women who get pregnant by a native not having a choice in the case of adoption, if that's what you mean. The Tribes fight hard to keep those babies if it is discovered having native blood. Even if the woman has the baby outside of an IHS system...The worst was a white couple who adopted their baby, not knowing about the Child Welfare Act but 3 years later the Tribe found out and took them to court and won.

One of Jeff's articles, I think was, Not All Tribes Are Created Equal is so true. The Navajo Nation is spread way out around the deserts in the West. They are suffering. These women want to give their babies a better chance at life. They can't.

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MK's avatar

I really appreciate you relating your experiences.

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Timothy Weller's avatar

Your honesty and sincere interest is appreciated, Thank you.

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Denise Lapio's avatar

Thank you for that information. Very sad for everyone.

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Denise Lapio's avatar

As always a very good article, Jeff. One center thought with many tangents. As for yesterday's meeting, it was interesting. Everyone has a right to speak, and if, as John had to do, everyone has to bring in statistical posters, everyone has a right to do so. Signs and posters provide clarity; burning properties destroys people's livelihoods. Grown-ups should know the difference.

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Patsy's avatar

Why do you guys have it out so bad for the tribe? How about a deep dive into all they contribute to the communities on the peninsula like jobs, health care, river and salmon rescue, beautification…among other programs not so visible. How come you’re not mad about Walmart or any other corporate box store’s unfair practices? The tribe is our neighbor, our fellow community member, the original steward of the land we live on. They are using the resources available to them to thrive just like we all do. Not so long ago they were duped, tricked and oppressed in an unfair power balance that we are still benefiting from to this day. Stop the demonizing! The descendants of the 10% who survived the atrocities waged against them by those we descend from deserve any current reparations available and more.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

If you have proof that a Walmart in Clallam County gives discounts based on race, let me know, and I'll write about it.

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Leo Leblanc's avatar

Excuse me Mr. T, didn't Commissioner French just give you case law that states Tribes are political not racial. Should the above statement not read "based on political affiliation".

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

You're right! I'm still getting used to that one.

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Robert's avatar

'It's political not racial, the skin tone has nothing to do with it.'

Gotta love a good gaslight, eh?🤓

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

"Not so long ago (insert "the Russian serfs, the Scots, the Irish, the Chinese, the Japanese, the Poles and Slavs, child laborers, unorganized private labor, Appalachian coal miners, the Anglo-Saxons in 1066, white slaves in the Arab world") were duped, tricked and oppressed in an unfair power balance that we are still benefiting from . . . "

Native Americans really aren't so special, are they?

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Eric Fehrmann's avatar

I was born in the U.S.A. without any choice. I love this country and am so thankful to live under our Republic and Pledge my Allegiance to our One Nation. I belong to Tribe U.S.A. My ancestry traces back to the American Revolution and I am a NATIVE AMERICAN! My bloodline does not trace back to aboriginal roots from the continent of Asia, but from Europe. I also believe that we all trace back to 13 tribes, or maybe the science is all wrong. If "tribe" members living here are U.S. citizens, why can't we all be considered equal and share equally in all of the pluses and minuses of our great society? I for one hold no animosity for any race of people, I have a reverence for those that preserve their heritage while assimilating to the norms of our current society. Maybe a reread, or as Patsy suggests, a deep dive, of the preamble to the constitution would help clarify my position for you.

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Patsy's avatar

Yes, imperialism has harmed marginalized peoples all over the world. We’re talking about the VERY special decedents of the survivors of a genocide right here on the peninsula. It was politically acceptable to eradicate a whole race of people for greed! These are the real values our country was founded on. This resourceful tribe of survivors are accessing funds made available to them. And they improve the community at large while they’re at it so we are all winners.

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Jennifer's avatar

"Resourceful tribe of survivors are accessing funds made available to them. And they improve the community at large while they're at it so we are all winners"

Those resourceful funds are actually the reason for most of these topics. The funds made available are NOT being used to improve the community, they are being used to build a monopoly which is the opposite of "so we are all winners"

The real survivors are the small businesses and people who have to compete with a tribal monopoly who holds the "community chest" while the community can only pick through the cards of "chance".

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Paul Schmidt's avatar

Patsy said, "We’re talking about the VERY special decedents of the survivors of a genocide right here on the peninsula."

Nonsense. No "genocide" occurred on the Olympic Peninsula as you are implying, unless you are referring to the Chemakums. In their case, genocide is correct.

In 1847, Chief Sealth led a coalition of Squamish and Klallam numbering in the hundreds against the Chemakum. They wiped out most of the Chemakum men, and took the surviving women and children as slaves.

That's why no Chimacum tribe exists near Port Townsend today -- genocide committed by the "noble" Klallams.

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MK's avatar
Mar 12Edited

I can't speak for anyone else. Just because I'm replying here doesn't make me one of the guys. I won't apply a widebrush to you. I'm sure you're an independent thinker yourself.

I don't hate any tribe, or the JST. If we coat every conversation with the wrongs of the past then there's no use in having this conversation. An unending, undefinable goal can never be achieved and at it's core is the tool of power. Congress and the BIA have rules and laws designed to make things right toward the goal of tribes being independent (self-sufficient), not our state or local government. I believe we should let the feds do their job.

The JST has demonstrated beautifully how skilled their leadership is at achieving this goal of independence. As such, I see no reason for state government or local government to keep giving them more money. I'd add NGO's who funnel government money in this statement. I would apply the same standard with any other entity being handed money if they have demonstrated sufficiency. But there's power to be brokered and I believe that's why we see all this quid pro quo stuff going on. A lot of backscratching, if you will. Some might call it a conflict of interest.

IMO the good JST provides to the area is designed to ingratiate everyone to their business goals, and given some of it is funded by our own tax money it loses its lusted rather quickly. Not exactly magnaminous when you recognize that, so why is it done you should ask yourself? When you understand that when money and power are in the balance no decision ever is made for altruistic reasons. Don't forget, the JST is largely a corporation, harkening back to their origins. Are you ok with the good they do that is allowing them to put local businesses out of business? How is that even a good idea? You bring up Walmart, I'm guessing because they're a for-profit corporation as if that's bad. Do you not see the JST is operationally run no different?

What is given, can be taken. There are plenty of situations in history where some leader or entity was doing so much good for the citizens that they looked the other way to the bad actions being taken. To say look at all the good the JST does while turning a blind eye to their business goals isn't something I'm interested in because I find it aggressive, and darned close to a long play of depradation using other agencies to do their bidding.

I don't want any tribe or tribal member to be treated any different than anyone else. They are part of society and deserve to be treated equally. Anytime you apply unequal treatment then the signal is that they aren't equal, in either direction. This is relationships 101 stuff.

If your land happens to be a location the JST considers their ancestral land and they want it back, how would you facilitate their request? Would you accept their demand because of all the good they do for the community? You cite a broad-brush position that "we" are still benefitting from it today. Who is we? If you are part of we, tell me how you are benefitting from the past wrongs, and what it would take for you make it right?

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Timothy Weller's avatar

Agreed, MK. There are those who immediately allude to the bully mentality, which alerts me that they already have their minds made up about "guys". My first reaction, is that people are individuals, until their assertions indicate otherwise.

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Robert's avatar

Ron Allen has stated 'the tribe' intends to take back all the land taken from them in the past...are you ready to deed your piece back to the 'tribe'?

They are doing some things for the good...all the while plotting domination of the county...they are subverting due process through the proxies of 'the commissars'...it's not equality and justice...it's a complete subversion of the infamous 'democracy'...more like a

'De-Mockery'! Good luck and I hope for your sake you don't get what you believe you want!😊

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Jennifer's avatar

Patsy, by no means do I discount what you say. Your questions are legitimate and presented honestly. Thank you, BUT (isn't there always a BUT when one does not agree?) there is a history with this particular Tribe. To understand why, takes so much research... I think starting with Jeff Tozzer's beginning articles is a start. I did do my own research until my head spun around, and spins around with every article. Keep your beliefs, but never close your mind to learning.

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Randy Walterson's avatar

Would love to talk about Walmart and their descendants !

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Robert's avatar

How about expanding your horizon and find out what's really going on in the world.

Ignorance and naivety are not useful traits for humanity.🥸

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jeff swegle's avatar

Hypocrites usually make bad decisions and should not be re elected.Clallam county needs all new commissioners that will focus on making competent decisions for clallam county issues and not favor tribal issues.

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Pamela Roberts's avatar

I do not support vandalism as a way to bring about change. Protests should remain peaceful and history has shown them to be quite effective. Boycotts, strikes and peaceful protests can work. Our history also includes people in power abusing protesters by beating them and even killing them. When that happens I forgive protesters for responding in kind. It's amazing during the Civil Rights Movement that so many protesters were able to remain peaceful while being viciously attacked. That expectation is unacceptable to me. Government entities and law enforcement should respect protesters - as long as they remain peaceful and lawful. Protesters should be given permissions to protest - again, as long as they remain peaceful and lawful. No government entity should attempt to suppress protests by unduly restricting their location, time, messaging, etc. No government entity should plant trouble makers into protests to provide excuses for law enforcement to attack protesters. This has also been a past common practice in our country.

As far as Olypen providing discounts for tribal members, the ad you shared appeared to simply remind tribal members that the tribe would subsidize some Olypen costs through a tribal enrichment fund. I think that partnership with Olypen is a positive thing. I have no problem with it. However, if local businesses were to provide discounts directly to tribal members only I think that would be unfair to the local citizens.

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Eric Fehrmann's avatar

Was that tribal enrichment fund payed for with grant money? If so, that money came from tax payers, not from gaming, or other non-taxed revenue derived from tribal enterprises. Is offering discounts for selected ethnic or political classes not racist, or at least prejudicial? If you were to see an offer of discount to members of a certain political party, other than your own, would you be encouraged to support that offer by patronizing that enterprise? Just a thought.

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John Worthington's avatar

The tribe should not be subsidizing us and visa versa. Not after we allot 3-4 million to each tribe on the Olympic Peninsula via federal taxes. Their taps into our county funds if discontinued, would allow us subsidize our own causes.

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John Worthington's avatar

"No government entity should attempt to suppress protests by unduly restricting their location, time, messaging, etc."

I agree.

Sign sign everywhere a sign now I got a wife chasing from behind/. Do this don't do that don't you use a sign..

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

Please stop mischaracterizing what happened yesterday by saying I chased you somewhere. Not funny. Never happened.

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

Hi Lisa, did you also instruct people in the front row not to clap during public comment?

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Lisa Boulware's avatar

No, I did not instruct people in the front row not to clap during public comment.

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John Worthington's avatar

That request came from his wife...

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Robert's avatar

White guilt and privilege. Enjoy!😊

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Robert's avatar

Rollin', Rollin', Rollin'...keep them Truth Bombs Rollin'!🤓

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Robert's avatar

It must be said until it's finally understood by the majority of concerned people that the behavior displayed by 'Frenchy' and 'Nozias' ARE the behaviors of SOCIOPATHS.

Like Zelensky, they flip and flop all over the place, lying, redacting, fabricating, manipulating, displaying overt racist attitudes disguised as case law, etc. They are the serpents... or serving the serpents, of old.

They have been groomed and selected by the deep state while giving the appearance of lawful voting.

They are corrupt...very unlikely to change their behavior and must be removed if the county is going to survive the deep-state coup which has already occurred.

They have instituted 'death by a thousand cuts' as any good psychopathic being would do.

Going straight at it would be too obvious even to the 'sleepy' amongst us.

Realize the problem (which is what we are doing here) then visualize what a non-corrupt system would look and feel like...holding onto that, while taking whatever worldly steps we are inspired to in order to bring TRUTH, JUSTICE, LIBERTY, TOUGH LOVE to bear on the situation.

We have a 'county commissioner' who openly advocates violence to bring about change...All 3 of these posers need to be removed by petition/due process if possible...ASAP!😊

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RON's avatar

JEFF

WHEN WILL FRENCH, OAIAS, AND OTHERS BE DECLARED " AGENTS OF A FOREIGN POWER"?

WHEN WILL THEY REGISTER?

HOW CAN THEY BE FORCED TO REGISTER?

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Jeff Tozzer's avatar

I don' know, Ron. Good questions.

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Robert's avatar

They won't hesitate to register us as 'enemies of the state' and persecute us if/when they can!🤪

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