Great re-direct Jeff. I saw your comments when I got back home. It is a Seattle onslaught of misrepresentation that says they are taking out a trial to put in a road. In other words a false dog whistle. Elias really stepped in it. He could not resist trying to downplay my testimony and my on screen post. I figured out how to go from exhibit to exhibit while talking. I already have them made up for next week. NODC is and was involved with the reservoir. He was better off letting that be rhetorical. Next week will also be the farm to open space exhibit. All the Seattle greenies are programed to say that because the ICLEI sends out the circulars.
Brilliant move to make it your background when you were denied the screen share... there's only one other guy that I know who pivots faster than you :)
Make lying wrong again! So f'in tired of all the corruption and self-interested beings in gov't.
But most of us don't have the 'funding' or the 'interest' to go into these positions.
Also, most of the county probably considers this a non-issue as it doesn't affect them.
As previously posted by me Ozias was rabid about calling real science "high level misinformation' regarding the 'plandemic' and 'lockdown'. How to get more people interested and involved is a dilemma in any endeavor. Fake petition? OMG. The whole bloody world is gone mad! I will help with verifiable petition gathering.
I agree with you. Adding a trail to the road is allowing everyone to enjoy the scenery and provide the local citizens allowance to travel a road they’re used to using!
And 1 last comment to counter the assertion that there are 2 other appropriate roads for those of us in Dungeness- S-D and Cays. Well, Cays is more appropriate for going to Carlsburg - a teeny burg with minimum amenities. Anyone go on S-D in the last month? Give yourself extra time if going South for the flagman at the circle of S-D and Port Williams and Old Olympic. And don't even think of coming back North on that road. It's closed. Hope nobody out here needs emergency help anytime soon.
Towne Road would be a much easier alternative than winding down Port Williams, then over to Holland and Woodcock. You could always tell the county what the landowners said when they were wanting their $125k automatic, electric gates: "We're inconvenienced daily."
One other issue to bring up along with the signs that prohibit pedestrian usage is the other county law that is constantly broken. When I first moved here I used to walk on the old levee trail. It was lovely. That is until the 3rd time I was knocked down by dogs after I had requested their owners to put them on a leash. I love dogs, I had one at the time who was always leashed when out on a walk. Now I have 2 who are always leashed when on a walk. But I'm also of an age where a fall can be debilitating for the remainder of my life or even be fatal before my time. So I had to give up on walking there. Leaving the road as a trail has a lot more cost associated with it than they are thinking about. And I would constantly be on the phone to the sheriff complaining about unleashed dogs since the users seem to act though leashes are optional. In Clallam County, leashes are required. There are 2 dog parks I know of, one in Sequim and one is Port Angeles. Those are the public places where it is appropriate to have dogs off leash.
I completely understand about the irresponsible dog owners. Like you, I love dogs and have one that I walk daily AND I clean up after her. Years ago, I walked the old levee trail and had a similar experience with others' unleashed dogs. Never again. Being "of a certain age" and having two artificial hips, it's a risk I can't take.
The first time I heard about DLTA (aka The Eberles) driving a change.org petition I had the same thought I had after reading this. That is, change.org petitions (or any online petition, really) are worth the physical paper they're written on.
Re; breaking the law, add posting their signs on county property.
DLTA seems to be a bit of an echo chamber and perhaps some of the more naturally curious are figuring that out: Sign the petition but you can't comment. Come to the "community" meeting but you can't ask questions. Say something on ND that I don't like and I'll flag you for being a bully. Only show up and keep your mouth shut until I tell you what to say during the public speaking time at the Commissioners meetings.
What I haven't seen or heard yet for those on the questionable petition is what mitigation is being taken on the agricultural interests. This article from the EPA has a graph showing agriculture and livestock and forestry accounts for 24% of greenhouse emissions. - actually more than transportation.
The agricultural sector consumes about 69 percent of the planet's fresh water. Without creative conservation measures in place, agricultural production consumes excessive water and degrades water quality. This adversely impacts freshwater systems throughout the world.
I'd like to hear from the "environmental landowners" wanting to keep the road closed except for themselves how they are mitigating the environmental impacts of their production facilities.
Took a drive to the creamery the day of their last meeting. Didn't see a lot of cars, but I will say the lovely natural feel of the area was pretty much destroyed by the smell of a pig farm. \
From wikipedia:
The environmental impact of pig farming is mainly driven by the spread of feces and waste to surrounding neighborhoods, polluting air and water with toxic waste particles. Waste from pig farms can carry pathogens, bacteria, and heavy metals that can be toxic when ingested.
So wikipedia isn't the best source material but I did find this from the National Library of Medicine. The pig farm on Towne isn't a corporate enterprise so this article seemed appropriate regarding Small-Scale Industrialized Swine Farming in China. (I suspect most of our pork comes from larger operations than the Towne Road farm)
The results indicated that the small-scale pig farms produced considerable annual yields of wastes, with medians of 216, 333 and 773 ton yr−1 per pig farm for manure, urine and washing wastewater, respectively, which has had significant impact on surface water quality. Taking NH4+-N, total nitrogen (TN) or total phosphorus (TP) as a criterion to judge water quality, the proportions of Class III and below Class III waters in the local surface waters were 66.2%, 78.7% and 72.5%. The well water (shallow groundwater) quality near these pig farms met the water quality standards by a wide margin. The annual output of pollutants from pig farms was the most important factor correlated with the nutrients and heavy metals in soils, and the relationship can be described by a linear equation. The impact on croplands was marked by the excessive accumulation of available phosphorus and heavy metals such as Cu and Zn. For crop safety, the over-limit ratio of Zn in vegetable samples reached 60%, other heavy metals in vegetable and rice samples tested met the food safety standard at present.
Great re-direct Jeff. I saw your comments when I got back home. It is a Seattle onslaught of misrepresentation that says they are taking out a trial to put in a road. In other words a false dog whistle. Elias really stepped in it. He could not resist trying to downplay my testimony and my on screen post. I figured out how to go from exhibit to exhibit while talking. I already have them made up for next week. NODC is and was involved with the reservoir. He was better off letting that be rhetorical. Next week will also be the farm to open space exhibit. All the Seattle greenies are programed to say that because the ICLEI sends out the circulars.
Brilliant move to make it your background when you were denied the screen share... there's only one other guy that I know who pivots faster than you :)
Were any of them actually readable?
Yes, they were. And the things you underlined.
Make lying wrong again! So f'in tired of all the corruption and self-interested beings in gov't.
But most of us don't have the 'funding' or the 'interest' to go into these positions.
Also, most of the county probably considers this a non-issue as it doesn't affect them.
As previously posted by me Ozias was rabid about calling real science "high level misinformation' regarding the 'plandemic' and 'lockdown'. How to get more people interested and involved is a dilemma in any endeavor. Fake petition? OMG. The whole bloody world is gone mad! I will help with verifiable petition gathering.
Count me in to assist in verifiable petition gathering if / when needed.
Thanks A.J. -- we will find out more Monday at the "Towne Road Update" on the work session agenda.
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I agree with you. Adding a trail to the road is allowing everyone to enjoy the scenery and provide the local citizens allowance to travel a road they’re used to using!
And 1 last comment to counter the assertion that there are 2 other appropriate roads for those of us in Dungeness- S-D and Cays. Well, Cays is more appropriate for going to Carlsburg - a teeny burg with minimum amenities. Anyone go on S-D in the last month? Give yourself extra time if going South for the flagman at the circle of S-D and Port Williams and Old Olympic. And don't even think of coming back North on that road. It's closed. Hope nobody out here needs emergency help anytime soon.
Towne Road would be a much easier alternative than winding down Port Williams, then over to Holland and Woodcock. You could always tell the county what the landowners said when they were wanting their $125k automatic, electric gates: "We're inconvenienced daily."
One other issue to bring up along with the signs that prohibit pedestrian usage is the other county law that is constantly broken. When I first moved here I used to walk on the old levee trail. It was lovely. That is until the 3rd time I was knocked down by dogs after I had requested their owners to put them on a leash. I love dogs, I had one at the time who was always leashed when out on a walk. Now I have 2 who are always leashed when on a walk. But I'm also of an age where a fall can be debilitating for the remainder of my life or even be fatal before my time. So I had to give up on walking there. Leaving the road as a trail has a lot more cost associated with it than they are thinking about. And I would constantly be on the phone to the sheriff complaining about unleashed dogs since the users seem to act though leashes are optional. In Clallam County, leashes are required. There are 2 dog parks I know of, one in Sequim and one is Port Angeles. Those are the public places where it is appropriate to have dogs off leash.
This would be a terrific public comment.
I completely understand about the irresponsible dog owners. Like you, I love dogs and have one that I walk daily AND I clean up after her. Years ago, I walked the old levee trail and had a similar experience with others' unleashed dogs. Never again. Being "of a certain age" and having two artificial hips, it's a risk I can't take.
The first time I heard about DLTA (aka The Eberles) driving a change.org petition I had the same thought I had after reading this. That is, change.org petitions (or any online petition, really) are worth the physical paper they're written on.
Re; breaking the law, add posting their signs on county property.
DLTA seems to be a bit of an echo chamber and perhaps some of the more naturally curious are figuring that out: Sign the petition but you can't comment. Come to the "community" meeting but you can't ask questions. Say something on ND that I don't like and I'll flag you for being a bully. Only show up and keep your mouth shut until I tell you what to say during the public speaking time at the Commissioners meetings.
As soon as they say open spaces I know they are reading the ICLEI circulars. The UW lady had said it twice at least.
What I haven't seen or heard yet for those on the questionable petition is what mitigation is being taken on the agricultural interests. This article from the EPA has a graph showing agriculture and livestock and forestry accounts for 24% of greenhouse emissions. - actually more than transportation.
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data
This wwf article
https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/sustainable-agriculture
claims:
The agricultural sector consumes about 69 percent of the planet's fresh water. Without creative conservation measures in place, agricultural production consumes excessive water and degrades water quality. This adversely impacts freshwater systems throughout the world.
I'd like to hear from the "environmental landowners" wanting to keep the road closed except for themselves how they are mitigating the environmental impacts of their production facilities.
Took a drive to the creamery the day of their last meeting. Didn't see a lot of cars, but I will say the lovely natural feel of the area was pretty much destroyed by the smell of a pig farm. \
From wikipedia:
The environmental impact of pig farming is mainly driven by the spread of feces and waste to surrounding neighborhoods, polluting air and water with toxic waste particles. Waste from pig farms can carry pathogens, bacteria, and heavy metals that can be toxic when ingested.
So wikipedia isn't the best source material but I did find this from the National Library of Medicine. The pig farm on Towne isn't a corporate enterprise so this article seemed appropriate regarding Small-Scale Industrialized Swine Farming in China. (I suspect most of our pork comes from larger operations than the Towne Road farm)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5750942/
The results indicated that the small-scale pig farms produced considerable annual yields of wastes, with medians of 216, 333 and 773 ton yr−1 per pig farm for manure, urine and washing wastewater, respectively, which has had significant impact on surface water quality. Taking NH4+-N, total nitrogen (TN) or total phosphorus (TP) as a criterion to judge water quality, the proportions of Class III and below Class III waters in the local surface waters were 66.2%, 78.7% and 72.5%. The well water (shallow groundwater) quality near these pig farms met the water quality standards by a wide margin. The annual output of pollutants from pig farms was the most important factor correlated with the nutrients and heavy metals in soils, and the relationship can be described by a linear equation. The impact on croplands was marked by the excessive accumulation of available phosphorus and heavy metals such as Cu and Zn. For crop safety, the over-limit ratio of Zn in vegetable samples reached 60%, other heavy metals in vegetable and rice samples tested met the food safety standard at present.
They can only make that work by leaving shipping and airplane emissions out of the equation.
German international propaganda group. Let's stay local!
All I have to do is read these thoughtful comments and I get stories for future articles. Thank you!
What is ICLEI? I see J. Worthington referring to it during the BoCC meetings. Hi, everyone!
Another acronym for your ever-growing list! I think it's time to do an ICLEI article so we can all learn. Thanks for the idea.
We need that, Jeff.
Thank you everyone for your help. I added this acronym to the list last week. It keeps growing. Yikes!
Someone here will correct me if I'm wrong: https://iclei.org/about_iclei_2/
This one is a bit of a long read about a municipality in Canada that gives a general idea....
https://gbalfour.substack.com/p/who-or-what-is-an-iclei
Seems like an outside and outsized influence in local decisions.
We could save a lot of money by eliminating 3 commissioner positions and just handing over all decision-making to this entity.